Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 20:28
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Auf dem Kenntnisstand bin ich auch, weswegen ich ja auch annehme, dass die UK-BD ohne dt. Ton kommt :-). Aber dennoch wäre es schön definitiv zu wissen, welche Tonspuren enthalten sind - manchmal gibts ja doch seltsame Überraschungen :-).
Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 21:48
Hm finde das innenlebern derr Boxen sowie deren Cover schon schwach.
Da hat man sich viel weniger Mühe als damals bei der DVD gegeben, die weit besser gestaltet wurden.
Zudem auch doof das man das Bonusmaterial nicht auf einer oder zwei BDs gesammelt hat wie bei Alien.
Bild und Ton sind sicher super, aber Rest doch eher schwach(vom Schuber abgesehen).
Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 21:51
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Sind die kleinen Hefte eigentlich die selben wie bei den DVDs? Die sehen auf den Bilder genau gleich aus.
Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 21:54
Glaube schon, nur vlt. etwas kleiner.
Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 21:56
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Hm toll. Selbst da nichts neues :(
Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 22:04
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Ich habe nun die letzten Seiten etwas überflogen nun tun sich aber einige Fragen auf.
Was für einen Grünstich?!
und ist der Film wie bei DVD wieder auf zwei Scheiben gesplittet?
Vielen Dank
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Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 22:08
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Farbe vom Bild leicht grünlich
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Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 22:14
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@neobluray: Ich zitiere hierzu mal eine sehr gute und aktuelle Zusammenfassung von Ken Brown (blu-ray.com):
Jackson and Lesnie re-graded the film. That has been confirmed. Then one of two things happened. They either intentionally added a consistent green/cyan tint to the entire image they re-graded or an error occurred in which a green/cyan tint was inadvertently added later in the process.
Much of the confusion and conflicting subjective analyses/opinions stem from people mistakenly assuming the entire image will appear green-ish. A slight green/cyan tint wouldn't and doesn't make everything look green; it simply alters every hue that appears on screen. In some FOTR shots, the tint is obvious. In others it is not. That doesn't mean it isn't there. It is always there, always affecting the colors present on the screen. The objective evidence of a prevailing tint is irrefutable.
However, whether the image looks great or not isn't the issue. It looks quite good, and boasts many improvements. (All of which trace back to Warner starting from the original 2K source, not Jackson's aesthetic re-grade.) The issue is whether the image as it appears is what Jackson intended. If it is, all he needs to do is say, "hey guys, the tint you've made me well aware of? It's all good. That's what I want." He's had two weeks to do so as the controversy has burned hotter and hotter. He has not. That says something. Jackson answers his fans all the time, addresses his filmmaking techniques constantly. Silence on this sort of topic shouldn't be taken lightly, and indicates something other than intention.
As I see it, this really isn't about whiny fans. It's just about getting the transfer Jackson wants FOTR fans to have into their hands. If the post-color-grade green/cyan tint is intentional, he only needs clarify that it was, indeed, an intentional move made or approved by himself or Lesnie. If the tint is the product of an error, though, it deserves to be corrected. All signs at the moment point toward it being an error, and those signs are mounting. No objective evidence has emerged that indicates the tint is intentional. There have been subjective reports that "it isn't there," which is inaccurate. Or subjective reports that amount to, "I just don't see it," which is completely valid. Still not objective evidence, but a valid opinion.
Again, it's been shown, time and time again by objective analysis, that a consistent green/cyan tint does exist, and that it presides over the entire film. And again, it very well could be an intentional blanket-tint. It would be unlike anything Jackson has ever done to any of his LOTR films, theatrical or extended... but it very well could be intentional. The likelihood that is, though, decreases by the day. Jackson's silence is the most telling, but a variety of other signs point toward an error.
I'm honestly not interested in how slight any transfer error is. No one should care whether a production error is minor or major. It's much simpler than that: if there is an error, I would hope fans try to get the discs Peter Jackson wanted to put in their hands. Civilly, of course. Replacement programs have been instituted by Disney, Paramount, Sony and, yes, Warner for far, far, far less. (And no, I'm not saying every production problem has been addressed in the past, or that every issue that's been uncovered has earned a replacement program.)
To recap:
1) A slight consistent green/cyan tint is there, and it does preside over the whole film. No, everything doesn't look green. A slight green tint wouldn't make everything look green. Blues are still quite blue, reds are still reasonably red. They just wouldn't be as blue or as red as Jackson intended them to be. (If it were an error.)
2) The tint has been objectively verified again and again, and not one piece of objective evidence has surfaced that suggests the green/cyan tint isn't there, and isn't at play in the entire film. Subjective opinions have cropped up. But no objective evidence.
3) The debate is whether the tint is bothersome, not whether it exists. Whether Jackson intended it to exist will only be verified by a confirmation from Jackson himself or a Warner replacement program. I strongly suspect we'll see one or the other in the next two to three weeks.
Wenn das auf englisch nicht verständlich ist, such z.B. nach meinen Postings der letzten Woche in diesem Thread, dort findest Du alle nötigen Infos!
Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 22:47
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Bedankte sich 16 mal.
Es sind wieder 2 Schweiben pro Film... der Qualität zu liebe...
Ich finde aber, dass das wirklich nicht zu viel verlangt ist, so etwas schnell selbst zu recherchieren (bspw. bei Amazon o.ä.)...
Das Grünstichthema hab ich nun aber echt langsam satt, wenn man es subjektiv nicht wirklich wahrnimmt, wozu dann die Aufregung? Der Mensch ist nicht objektiv, was soll er mit einem objektiv "perfekten" Bild, wenn es schon subjektiv "perfekt" ist!? Sicher wäre es angebracht und ich würde mich auch darüber freuen, dass, wenn es sich denn um einen Fehler handeln sollte, eine Umtauschaktion stattfinden sollte, schließlich bleibt Fehler Fehler... jedoch diese ganze Aufregung da drum kann ich nicht verstehen...
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Geschrieben: 26 Juni 2011 22:52
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Bedankte sich 61 mal.
Zitat:
Zitat von neobluray;2543228
Ich habe nun die letzten Seiten etwas überflogen nun tun sich aber einige Fragen auf.
Was für einen Grünstich?!
und ist der Film wie bei DVD wieder auf zwei Scheiben gesplittet?
Vielen Dank
Euer NEo
Zitat:
Here's something that will play with your mind....
Click the following link to watch the short youtube video. This video is a segment taken directly from the extended edition Blu-ray discs. Watch carefully to see if you feel the image is too cyan or too green. Pay particular attention during the closeup of Gandalf when he says "And what about very old friends". Is the sky behind Gandalf an appropriate shade of Blue?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIDfw6LfdaE
When I watched that video (by itself), although it looks too dark, I felt the color appeared to be just fine. Maybe just a tiny little bit on the teal side, but not as bad as the screen caps made it out.
THEN I went back to the earlier split-screen video of the same scene (the one with the EE Blu-ray on the left and the TE Blu-ray on the right):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwcm-73kZE8
Guess what?.... The first video, which moments before looked pretty much fine to my eye, suddenly seemed way too teal!!
Seriously, compare the two. Pause the videos in the same spots (particularly that scene with the sky behind Gandalf) and compare. The one taken from the actual discs looks pretty much the same as the left side of the split-screen video. Too teal!
Bottom line, I couldn't trust what my eyes were telling me when I watched the first video by itself. I thought it looked fine. Now I think it looks too teal.
I beginning to think I'll just save the money and stick with the theatrical edition Blu-rays. I'm sorry, but this new color timing just seems wrong.
Mark
Quelle:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/312235/a-few-words-about-the-lord-of-the-rings-trilogy-extended-edition-in-blu-ray/30#post_3822385
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